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The gap between a patent and a proven treatment

Started 4 January 2025 · 23 replies · 257 hearts · read 2.3k times

BunnyWeston-super-Mare, UK · 4 January 2025
1.5 years ago

The gap between a patent and a proven treatment — putting it in its own thread so it does not get lost in the check-in.

I have read the paper and I am not sure I have understood it.

I have been trying to trace a claim back to its source and every trail ends at a summary of a summary, which is itself informative.

I would like to know what the best single piece of human evidence is, because I suspect the honest answer is thinner than the discussion suggests.

If anybody has the primary source, I would be very grateful for it — I have been going round in circles.

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AbramAmsterdam, NL
#1

I would say if you cannot find a published human study, that is itself the finding rather than a gap to fill with reasoning.

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FlossieShrewsbury, UK
#2

Coming back to say I read for a year and decided against, and that this circle was where I got the information to decide with.

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SunilFacilitatorBirmingham, UK
#3

Holding a boundary: nothing on this site is a recommendation to source anything, and buying outside a prescription carries a risk this community cannot remove.

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TobinCork, IE
#4

Sitting with you on this one.

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IdrisCardiff, UK
#5

Picking up Sunil’s point rather than starting a new one.

Something practical: I keep a note of what I have actually read on each of these, because otherwise I mistake familiarity for knowledge.

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PolaGdańsk, PL
#6

The most valuable thread in this circle was one where three people said clearly that they had stopped taking something and why.

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MableBolton, UK
#7

I found the discussion here refreshingly free of certainty, which is not true of anywhere else I have looked.

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MorayElgin, UK
#8

Pola has already said most of this and I want to add the one part that was different for me.

What I would say to a newcomer is that saying you do not know is welcome here and is not treated as ignorance.

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IvorLlanelli, UK
#9

Something I got wrong was assuming that because something is discussed everywhere it must have a body of evidence behind it.

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TamarPlymouth, UK
#10

Mable, thank you for that. It gives me somewhere to start from.

My reading of the published record on most of these is that it is early, small and mostly not in people.

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WellsChester, UK
#11

Moray, thank you for that. It gives me somewhere to start from.

This is where the evidence thins out and I would rather this circle said so plainly than pretended otherwise.

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FabianBasel, CH
#12

What I keep coming back to is that a compound having a plausible mechanism and a compound having human outcome data are very different situations.

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TacitaRome, IT
#13

Everything discussed here is research-use-only material. That is not a formality: it was never manufactured, released or documented for use in a person.

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BunnyWeston-super-Mare, UK
#14

The honest answer to most questions in this circle is that nobody has run the study that would answer them.

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AbramAmsterdam, NL
#15

I would gently push back on any post that presents a protocol as established. Almost none of them are.

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FlossieShrewsbury, UK
#16

Gently disagreeing with Tacita, or rather adding the other half of it.

The interaction question is almost entirely unstudied for most of this, and that is worth stating on every thread.

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NevGrimsby, UK
#17

Reading Flossie, I recognised more of that than I expected to.

Nothing here is a recommendation. This circle exists to be honest about where the evidence runs out, not to fill the gap with confidence.

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TobinCork, IE
#18

What helped me was reading one full paper rather than twenty summaries, because the summaries had all lost the same caveats.

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IdrisCardiff, UK
#19

The reading group format works well for this. We took one compound, found everything published, and concluded it was thinner than the discussion suggested.

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PolaGdańsk, PL
#20

Coming back to what Tobin wrote further up, because it is the bit I keep thinking about.

My position is that I read about these with interest and I do not take them, and I want that to be a legitimate position in this circle.

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MableBolton, UK
#21

I would say be very careful with anything where the entire published record is animal work. That is a starting point, not a finding.

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SunilFacilitatorBirmingham, UK
#22

Gently redirecting: the question was about a specific measurement and we have spent six replies on a different measurement.

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IvorLlanelli, UK
#23

Mable said something I want to sit with for a second.

Something I have noticed is that the confidence of the discussion is usually inversely proportional to the amount of evidence.

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